you see, when he won all the tour de france titles he was riding for the u.s. postal service team, and the team was partially funded with money from the federal government. now the government wants some of that money back. joining me on the phone to talk about armstrong and his lawsuit is dave shields. he writes about cycling, has been helping us make sense of this armstrong story from the very beginning. dave, good to have you. the first question here is, you know, it's sad to say that people get over on the federal government all the time. why did the department of justice decide to join this lawsuit? was it public pressure? >> i'm not sure that it is public pressure. it was -- i think that on the part of the government, it might be a perception that it would be well-received, and it doesn't seem to be going over that way. a lot of people seem to be thinking just like you're implying. that -- wow. lance has got his share of trouble, and it doesn't seem to stop. >> you're a cycling insider. tell us what the insiders think. where should this end or should they